Abortion - Revision history

Eric Rasmusen: /* Constitutionality */

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‎Constitutionality

Eric Rasmusen: /* Statutes */

2023-08-21T21:26:43Z

‎Statutes

Manson Lilian: /* Man Made in the Image of God */

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‎Man Made in the Image of God

Eric Rasmusen: /* What the Bible and Tradition Say */

2022-10-25T00:02:52Z

‎What the Bible and Tradition Say

Eric Rasmusen: /* Judaism and Abortion */

2022-10-25T00:02:08Z

‎Judaism and Abortion

Manson Lilian: /* Judaism and Abortion */

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‎Judaism and Abortion

Manson Lilian: /* Judaism and Abortion */

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‎Judaism and Abortion

Manson Lilian: /* Judaism and Abortion */

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‎Judaism and Abortion

Manson Lilian: /* Judaism and Abortion */

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‎Judaism and Abortion

Manson Lilian: /* Judaism and Abortion */

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‎Judaism and Abortion

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	*[https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2022ss1/bills/senate/1#document-ea18ee28 INDIANA ABORTION LAW. ]		*[https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2022ss1/bills/senate/1#document-ea18ee28 INDIANA ABORTION LAW. ]
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		+	==Biology of Abortion==
		+	*[https://twitter.com/cremieuxrecueil/status/1752843223603478735 Cremieux data on how only 4% of fertilized eggs] result in a birth. This means for person-at-conception people that they think God lets 96% of people die before birth.

	==Constitutionality==		==Constitutionality==

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	2. An abolition statute needs to be written carefully. If the statute just says "A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus counts just like a born person in criminal law," then it may be that leniency for the mother or birth control pharmacist is disallowed, because typically first-degree murder (premeditated homicide) has a minimum sentence-- perhaps 5 years in prison. So it would be better to create a special statute for abortion allowing judges more discretion, from probation to a month in jail to the death penalty, depending on circumstances.		2. An abolition statute needs to be written carefully. If the statute just says "A fertilized egg, embryo, or fetus counts just like a born person in criminal law," then it may be that leniency for the mother or birth control pharmacist is disallowed, because typically first-degree murder (premeditated homicide) has a minimum sentence-- perhaps 5 years in prison. So it would be better to create a special statute for abortion allowing judges more discretion, from probation to a month in jail to the death penalty, depending on circumstances.
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		+	===Indiana Abortion Law===
		+	*[https://d1ps7ys6589pid.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/BLF-Legal-Memo-on-SB-1-1.pdf Bopp memmo] on Inidan abortin law
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		+	*[https://codes.findlaw.com/in/title-34-civil-law-and-procedure/in-code-sect-34-28-5-4/ Indianb law]
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		+	*[https://iga.in.gov/legislative/2022ss1/bills/senate/1#document-ea18ee28 INDIANA ABORTION LAW. ]

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 ===Roman Catholicism and Abortion===
 *[https://www.vatican.va/content/john-paul-ii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_25031995_evangelium-vitae.html Evangelium Vitae] (John Paul II):  "I declare that direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, always constitutes a grave moral disorder, since it is the deliberate killing of an innocent human being."  Since 1917, punishable by excommunication.
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-==What the Bible and Tradition Say==
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-*Quickening.
+*Quickening. Aristotle started the 40-day idea.
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 *Quickening.
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+===Judaism and Abortion===
 *[https://www.brandeis.edu/jewish-experience/social-justice/2022/june/abortion-judaism-joffe.html A good summary article]. "As currently construed, Orthodox conceptions of Jewish law do not support a woman's right to choose an abortion for reasons of her own." It looks like the only reason for abortion Judaism allowed before, say, 1950, was to save the life of the mother. Linda Greenhouse and a professr who went unchallenged at Roger Pilon, in one week in   talks at Indiana University, both said that in Judaism the fetus is not a person until after birth, which is false-- but they were apparently sincere. No links, tho some specifics.
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 *[https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/ This is  the best article]. It has links and specifics. The Reform Jews started allowing "mental health" abortion in 1958, and the Conservatives in 1983. The Orthodox still disallow it, as all Jews did before 1958.
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 ==Judaism and Abortion==
-*[https://www.brandeis.edu/jewish-experience/social-justice/2022/june/abortion-judaism-joffe.html A good summary article]. "As currently construed, Orthodox conceptions of Jewish law do not support a woman's right to choose an abortion for reasons of her own." It looks like the only reason for abortion Judaism allowed before, say, 1950, was to save the life of the mother. Linda Greenhouse and Roger Pilon, in one week in their talks at Indiana University, both said that in Judaism the fetus is not a person until after birth, which is false-- but they were apparently sincere. No links, tho some specifics.
+*[https://www.brandeis.edu/jewish-experience/social-justice/2022/june/abortion-judaism-joffe.html A good summary article]. "As currently construed, Orthodox conceptions of Jewish law do not support a woman's right to choose an abortion for reasons of her own." It looks like the only reason for abortion Judaism allowed before, say, 1950, was to save the life of the mother. Linda Greenhouse and a professr who went unchallenged at Roger Pilon, in one week in   talks at Indiana University, both said that in Judaism the fetus is not a person until after birth, which is false-- but they were apparently sincere. No links, tho some specifics.
 *[https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf This liberal article] is evasive. It says that under Jewish law, a fetus "was not a person", evading the question of whether abortion was allowed or not. It wasn't-- except to save the life of the mother. They say that abortion was not treated as "murder"--- while not noting that it was nonetheless contrary to Jewish law.  They actually lie at one point, unless they're talking about Jewish sources of the past fifty years: "Yes, Jewish sources explicitly state that abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, “health” is commonly interpreted to encompass psychological health as well as physical health." No links, hardly any specifics.

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	*[https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf This liberal article] is evasive. It says that under Jewish law, a fetus "was not a person", evading the question of whether abortion was allowed or not. It wasn't-- except to save the life of the mother. They say that abortion was not treated as "murder"--- while not noting that it was nonetheless contrary to Jewish law. They actually lie at one point, unless they're talking about Jewish sources of the past fifty years: "Yes, Jewish sources explicitly state that abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, “health” is commonly interpreted to encompass psychological health as well as physical health." No links, hardly any specifics.		*[https://www.ncjw.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Judaism-and-Abortion-FINAL.pdf This liberal article] is evasive. It says that under Jewish law, a fetus "was not a person", evading the question of whether abortion was allowed or not. It wasn't-- except to save the life of the mother. They say that abortion was not treated as "murder"--- while not noting that it was nonetheless contrary to Jewish law. They actually lie at one point, unless they're talking about Jewish sources of the past fifty years: "Yes, Jewish sources explicitly state that abortion is not only permitted but is required should the pregnancy endanger the life or health of the pregnant individual. Furthermore, “health” is commonly interpreted to encompass psychological health as well as physical health." No links, hardly any specifics.
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		+	*[https://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/abortion-in-jewish-thought/ This is a balanced and good article]

	==Man Made in the Image of God==		==Man Made in the Image of God==