ץ More on Christianity, Judaism, and the Closest Continuer; The Eastern Orthodox Timeline, The 39 Articles, and the Westminster Confession. I still haven't dipped into my Nozick, but I got thoughtful comments on my January 11 post from Tim and Jim. Tim said something like this (I've smoothed it a bit stylistically):

You cite Nozick's closest continuer account of personal identity. On such an account, identity over time is constituted by psychological continuity and connectedness. Psychological continuity is a function of having similar (basic) psychological attributes, memories, and so on over short temporal intervals. It is consistent with lots of psychological change in the long run, but fails if there is too much change, too quickly. If a neurosurgeon messes with your circuitry too radically, fundamentally altering your personality, *you* would cease existing, though your body would continue to exist and would now house a new person with a lot of false memories. The 'connectedness' bit just requires that the relative sameness moment to moment be a result of an internal causal process. Thus, if your body were destroyed and a duplicate were by chance instantaneously to be brought about in its place, including sameness of psychology, it would be a mere duplicate, and you would have perished.

How about if, instead, *God* were to destroy your body and replace it with another, *intending* that it be you? Opinions here differ. Some see in this the makings of an account of the resurrection of the dead!

The 'closest' element of the label comes from what happens in a science fiction scenario in which there are multiple 'candidates' for being a continuer of you. The one who is most like the earlier stage counts as you. The odd (absurd?) consequence of this is that if there are two or more tied candidates, then you die! They can't be all be you, since one thing cannot be identical with many things which are non-identical, owing to the transitivity of identity.

Tim also notes two problems in applying the closest continuer idea to a religion. 1. The facts are controversial. 2. What is "close" is controversial.

1. The facts are controversial. Christians say that Jesus came with a new divine revelation, but Jews disagree. Thus, even if both of them agree that true Judaism consists in following all of God's revelations but not falsely thinking something is revealed by God, the two groups will disagree as to who is the true heir of David by this criterion.

2. What is "close" is controversial. Roman Catholics and Anglo-Catholics, and perhaps the Eastern Orthodox, attach great importance to the Apostolic Succession, whereas most Protestants do not, but do attach great importance to sound doctrine. Both a Roman Catholic and a Baptist might agree that Pastor X denies the Resurrection, whereas Pastor Y believes in it; but also that Pastor X was properly ordained by five Roman Catholic bishops and not since unfrocked, whereas Pastor Y was merely elected as pastor by a particular congregation. The Roman Catholic would say that Pastor X, while an evil man, is nonetheless the true heir of St. Peter while Pastor Y is not; the Baptist would say the reverse. This does not apply directly to the Church, perhaps, because the Roman Catholics would claim, I think, that it is impossible for the entire hierarchy to become heretical.

Correspondent Jim noted the relevance of Matthew 5:17-18

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

and Thessalonians 2:15

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle."

A good example of different points of view is the Eastern Orthodox timeline Jim pointed me to that shows the Roman Catholics branching off in the 11th century. Conservative Anglicans might have a similar chart with the Romans branching off in the 16th century. Some Puritans would have the Romans branching off in the 1st century. The Anglican 39 Articles says (this Www.orange-street-church.org site has links to the Homilies too, which are a sort of Appendix to the 39 Articles),

6. Of the sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation

Holy Scriptures containeth all things necessary to salvation: so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man, that it should be believed as an of the faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of Holy Scripture, we do understand those Canonical books of the Old and New testament, of whose authority was never any doubt in the Church.

19. Of the Church

The visible Church of Christ is a congregation of faithful men, in the which the pure word of God is preached and the sacraments be duly ministered according to Christ's ordinance in all those things that of necessity are requisite to the same. As the Church of Jerusalem, Alexandria, and Antioch have erred: so also the Church of Rome hath erred, not only in their living and manner of ceremonies, but also in matters of faith.

21. Of the authority of General Councils

General Councils may not be gathered together without the commandment and will of princes. And when they be gathered together, forasmuch as they be an assembly of men, whereof all be not governed with the Spirit and word of God, they may err and sometime have erred, even in things pertaining to God. Wherefore things ordained by them as necessary to salvation have neither strength nor authority, unless it may be declared that they be taken out of Holy Scripture.

In this view, tradition is unnecessary, if perhaps helpful, and the original Churches have fallen into serious error. Gatherings of even the undoubted leaders of the Church can make mistakes and have made mistakes, and their statements certainly are not to be taken on authority if they have no basis in the Bible.

The Presbyterian Westminster Confession takes the same view.

III. Man by his fall having made himself incapable of life by that covenant, the Lord was pleased to make a second, commonly called the covenant of grace: wherein he freely offered unto sinners life and salvation by Jesus Christ, requiring of them faith in him, that they may be saved, and promising to give unto all those that are ordained unto life, his Holy Spirit, to make them willing and able to believe.

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V. This covenant was differently administered in the time of the law, and in the time of the gospel: under the law it was administered by promises, prophecies, sacrifices, circumcision, the paschal lamb, and other types and ordinances delivered to the people of the Jews, all fore-signifying Christ to come, which were for that time sufficient and efficacious, through the operation of the Spirit, to instruct and build up the elect in faith in the promised Messiah, by whom they had full remission of sins, and eternal salvation, and is called the Old Testament.

VI. Under the gospel, when Christ the substance was exhibited, the ordinances in which this covenant is dispensed, are the preaching of the Word, and the administration of the sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper; which, though fewer in number, and administered with more simplicity and less outward glory, yet in them it is held forth in more fulness, evidence, and spiritual efficacy, to all nations, both Jews and Gentiles; and is called the New Testament. There are not, therefore, two covenants of grace differing in substance, but one and the same under various dispensations. [Chapter 7]

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I. The liberty which Christ hath purchased for believers under the gospel consists in their freedom from the guilt of sin, the condemning wrath of God, the curse of the moral law; and in their being delivered from thos present evil world, bondage to Satan, and dominion of sin, from the evil of afflictions, the sting of death, the victory of the grave, and everlasting damnation; as also in their free access to God, and their yielding obedience unto him, not out of slavish fear, but a childlike love, and a willing mind. All which were common also to believers under the law; but under the New Testament the liberty of Christians is further enlarged in their freedom from the yoke of the ceremonial law, to which the Jewish Church was subjected; and in greater boldness of access to the throne of grace, and in fuller communications of the free Spirit of God, than believers under the law did ordinarily partake of. [Chapter 20]

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IV. This catholic Church hath been sometimes more, sometimes less, visible. And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.

V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error: and some have so degenerated as to become apparently no Churches of Christ. Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth, to worship God according to his will. [Chapter 25]

The Westminster Confession, being more oriented towards theology and less to practice, discusses the relationship to ancient Judaism more than the 39 Articles do. Thus, it emphasizes the continuity of Christians with Jews in both directions--- that Christians are the heirs of ancient Judaism, and ancient Jews get the benefit of Christ. It also implies that modern Jews are deviant--- they deny Christ, now that the details are known, in contrast (it is claimed) to the ancient Jewish acceptance of a coming Christ (without knowing exactly what this coming would be like).

All of the above is about the religious debate over what group is the closest successor to the ancient Jews. A less important question, but one easier to tackle, is the purely secular version of the question. Suppose we assume that the Bible and Talmud are both purely human documents; that the Talmud is not really a codification of traditions going back to Mt. Sinai; that Christian traditions do not date to the 1st century, but to whenever an atheist historian would guess at their origin, and so forth. What then? The question is still open. Modern Reform Jews are highly dissimilar to the Jews of the Temple; are modern Baptists closer, or further?

But again I've run out of time.

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